{"id":149558,"date":"2025-04-22T14:46:12","date_gmt":"2025-04-22T14:46:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/skin.club\/community?p=149558"},"modified":"2025-11-05T12:37:00","modified_gmt":"2025-11-05T12:37:00","slug":"why-kc-and-m8-hold-back-from-cs","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/community.skin.club\/en\/news\/why-kc-and-m8-hold-back-from-cs","title":{"rendered":"CND Reveals Why KC and M8 Hold Back from CS"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They\u2019ve taken over <\/span><b>VALORANT<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. They\u2019ve made waves in <\/span><b>League.<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> They\u2019ve even cracked <\/span><b>Call of Duty.<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> But there\u2019s still one title where <\/span><b>Karmine Corp<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> and <\/span><b>Gentle Mates<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> are missing: <\/span><b>Counter-Strike<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. You\u2019ve likely heard of these French esports powerhouses led by influencers. Their impact on streaming numbers has helped reshape the competitive gaming landscape. And while they\u2019ve successfully made waves across almost every major title, one game remains untouched by their influence: Counter-Strike.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Both Gentle Mates and Karmine Corp have considered jumping into CS, but neither has taken the plunge \u2014 at least, not yet. So, what\u2019s holding them back?<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><strong>Standing in the Shadow of Vitality<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In games like <\/span><b>Rocket League<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> (RLCS), <\/span><b>VALORANT <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">(VCT EMEA), and <\/span><b>League of Legends <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">(LEC), these two clubs are already competing with the elite and often going head-to-head with <\/span><b>Team Vitality<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, France\u2019s top performance-based esports organization.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\"><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/VCTEMEA?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#VCTEMEA<\/a> 2025 Stage 1 \u2013 Top Matches of Week 3:<\/p>\n<p>\ud83e\udd47 <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/KarmineCorp?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@KarmineCorp<\/a> vs <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/gentlemates?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@gentlemates<\/a><br>\ud83e\udd48 <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/FNATIC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@FNATIC<\/a> vs <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/ApeksValorant?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@ApeksValorant<\/a><br>\ud83e\udd49 <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/HereticsVal?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@HereticsVal<\/a> vs <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TeamVitalityVAL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@TeamVitalityVAL<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/8EiMVJ62kY\">pic.twitter.com\/8EiMVJ62kY<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Esports Charts \ud83c\uddfa\ud83c\udde6 (@EsportsCharts) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/EsportsCharts\/status\/1911408155734556964?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">April 13, 2025<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But in Counter-Strike, <\/span><b>Vitality<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> has become not just the French reference, but a <\/span><b>global powerhouse<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. Competing with them is no longer a bonus \u2014 it\u2019s the norm. For <\/span><b>KC<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> and <\/span><b>M8<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, if they\u2019re going to enter Counter-Strike, they can\u2019t just participate \u2014 they have to win. And matching Vitality\u2019s level comes with a hefty price tag.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">One route could have been acquiring a smaller project, like <\/span><b>3DMAX<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, to build up from within. But that door seems closed.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">They stay.<br>Nice try.<\/p>\n<p>Loyalty. Family. 3DMAX.<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/DevilNeverDies?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#DevilNeverDies<\/a>\ud83d\udc79 <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/fcjpprReEt\">pic.twitter.com\/fcjpprReEt<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Team 3DMAX (@3DMAXGaming) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/3DMAXGaming\/status\/1904956582984556720?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">March 26, 2025<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Without a mid-tier team to back, the only entry left is straight into the top tier \u2014 and that\u2019ll cost several million euros. It\u2019s not beyond reach: Karmine reportedly spent <\/span><b>\u20ac17M <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">in late 2023 to buy into the LEC (66% of a slot from Astralis), while Gentle Mates made a major move into the Call of Duty League this year.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But spending big again, this time on Counter-Strike? That\u2019s off the table for now.<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><strong>The Sponsorship Dilemma<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">One major barrier is <\/span><b>sponsorship<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. Gentle Mates is backed by<\/span><b> Squeezie <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">(10M on X, 20M on YouTube) and <\/span><b>Gotaga<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> (2M on X, 4.5M on YouTube), while Karmine Corp is led by <\/span><b>Kameto <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">(1.1M on X). These creators have enormous reach and a unique ability to engage audiences \u2014 but that influence comes with brand responsibilities.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/escharts.com\/tournaments\/lol\/lec-winter-2025\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">LEC Winter 2025 \u2013 Karmine Corp\u2019s Debut Season<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Simply put, partnering with gambling, betting, crypto, or skin trading brands \u2014 the kinds of sponsors that Counter-Strike thrives on \u2014 is a non-starter for these influencer-led clubs. And those sponsors are vital to the financial structure of most top CS teams.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Passing on those partnerships means missing out on massive revenue, the kind needed to match salaries and transfer fees at the top level, especially if the goal is to rival Vitality. And your dream is gone\u2026<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"fr\" dir=\"ltr\">LA <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/KarmineCorp?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@KarmineCorp<\/a> SUR CS ? \ud83d\udfe6<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/ArthurPerticoz?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@ArthurPerticoz<\/a> s'est exprim\u00e9 lundi sur la tentative d'entr\u00e9e sur Counter-Strike de la Karmine Corp !<\/p>\n<p>\u00c0 votre avis, \u00e7a arrivera ? Si oui, \u00e0 quel niveau ? \ud83d\udc40 <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/09maaBsjQo\">pic.twitter.com\/09maaBsjQo<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Croissant Strike (@CroissantStrike) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/CroissantStrike\/status\/1909894685285380422?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">April 9, 2025<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">To compete without those endemic sponsors, these two clubs need to get creative: merchandising, player development, or mainstream brand deals. They might even attract brands that can\u2019t advertise in other titles due to publisher restrictions. But all of that takes time to build.<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><strong>The Grind Is Real<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That leaves just one realistic entry point: build from the ground up \u2014 the beautiful story of Counter-Strike!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Find the right coaching staff, scout young talents, surround them with experienced veterans, and climb the competitive ladder. If there\u2019s one esport where that kind of grind is still possible, it\u2019s Counter-Strike.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"fr\" dir=\"ltr\">Squeezie: \"Si un move sur CS se fait un jour, on commencera avec un roster \"humble\" qu'on construira et fera progresser au fur et \u00e0 mesure pour cr\u00e9er une vraie histoire\" <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/FhbfTCcwBR\">pic.twitter.com\/FhbfTCcwBR<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 REACTION GENTLEMATES (@M8Reactions) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/M8Reactions\/status\/1906850234229281234?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">March 31, 2025<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">To bring their huge audiences along for the ride, the journey must start with something close to an academy project, focusing on long-term development, eventually finding a franchise player to build around.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Recent CS success stories prove this model works. Gambit Youngsters. MOUZ with MOUZ NXT. GamerLegion. Even stars like <\/span><b>zont1x<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> and <\/span><b>donk<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> came up through <\/span><b>Spirit\u2019s academy<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. And their new Russian talent <\/span><b>kyousuke<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> is knocking on the door.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yes, it takes patience. But it also ensures financial sustainability \u2014 no need to burn through millions just to keep pace. And it opens doors to new sponsor partnerships and long-term success. One thing is clear: the day Karmine Corp or Gentle Mates enters the Counter-Strike scene, French CS will never be the same again. So, how long are we going to wait before we see one of these two clubs make it to CS?<\/span><\/p>\n<script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>They\u2019ve taken over VALORANT. They\u2019ve made waves in League. They\u2019ve even cracked Call of Duty. But there\u2019s still one title where Karmine Corp and Gentle Mates are missing: Counter-Strike. You\u2019ve likely heard of these French esports powerhouses led by influencers. Their impact on streaming numbers has helped reshape the competitive gaming landscape. 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