{"id":340738,"date":"2026-01-23T15:17:12","date_gmt":"2026-01-23T15:17:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/community.skin.club\/?p=340738"},"modified":"2026-01-23T15:17:12","modified_gmt":"2026-01-23T15:17:12","slug":"team-liquid-community-criticism-roster-issues","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/community.skin.club\/en\/news\/team-liquid-community-criticism-roster-issues","title":{"rendered":"Team Liquid under fire: analysts and fans question the project\u2019s future"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>After another disappointing performance, Team Liquid found itself at the center of a storm of criticism from analysts, players, and fans alike. The discussion quickly moved beyond a single match or series \u2014 this is no longer about short-term form, but about deeper structural issues within the roster, role distribution, and long-standing management decisions.<\/p>\n<h3>\u201cThe floor is too low\u201d: scrutiny of the AWP role<\/h3>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/pbs.twimg.com\/media\/G-fPc8EWwAAm9ke?format=jpg&amp;name=4096x4096\" alt=\"Image\"><\/p>\n<p>One of the strongest early reactions came from analyst <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/followdusT\/status\/2014390542247891380?s=20\">Dustin \u201cdust\u201d Mouret<\/a>, who argued that Liquid should have made a tough call already during the off-season:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"custom-bq\"><div class=\"custom-bq-q\"><p>Ultimate sometimes shows a very high ceiling and can look impressive. But his floor is just too low. Almost every series has a map where he completely disappears \u2014 and it can drop even lower.<\/p><\/div><\/blockquote>\n<p>This sentiment was echoed across the analyst desk. The main criticism centers on an aggressive AWP style that lacks consistency, often costing Liquid crucial rounds at key moments.<\/p>\n\n<div class=\"article__content grid-cards-col xl-w-100\">\n    <h3>read more<\/h3>\n    <div class=\"grid-1 gap-12 mb-12 load-parent xl-w-100\">\n        <div class=\"type3 y-red-dif hover-card card-more\">\n        <a class=\"type3__left up-to-card hover-el\" href=\"https:\/\/community.skin.club\/en\/news\/valve-fixed-erroneous-vac-bans-in-a-new-update\">\n        <div class=\"bg-bottom-abs-short\"> <\/div>\n        <picture class=\"picture object-fit-cover\">\n            <img decoding=\"async\" class=\"picture__img object-fit-cover\" src=\"https:\/\/community.skin.club\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/counter-strike-2-pc-game-steam-cover.jpg.webp\" alt=\"Valve fixed erroneous VAC bans in a new update\">\n        <\/picture>\n    <\/a>\n        <div class=\"type3__right main-structure p-20\">\n        <div class=\"type3__top\">\n            <a class=\"type3__title title-24 hover-el\" href=\"https:\/\/community.skin.club\/en\/news\/valve-fixed-erroneous-vac-bans-in-a-new-update\">Valve fixed erroneous VAC bans in a new update<\/a>\n            <a class=\"go-arrow hover-el\" href=\"https:\/\/community.skin.club\/en\/news\/valve-fixed-erroneous-vac-bans-in-a-new-update\">\n                <div class=\"go-arrow__left go-arrow__part\">\n                    <svg class=\"icon\" width=\"24\" height=\"24\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\">\n                        <use xlink:href=\"https:\/\/community.skin.club\/wp-content\/themes\/skinclub-v3\/assets\/images\/sprites\/main.stack.svg?v=1778248474#image-blue-arrow\"><\/use>\n                    <\/svg>\n                <\/div>\n                <div class=\"go-arrow__center go-arrow__part\">\n                    <svg class=\"icon\" width=\"24\" height=\"24\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\">\n                        <use xlink:href=\"https:\/\/community.skin.club\/wp-content\/themes\/skinclub-v3\/assets\/images\/sprites\/main.stack.svg?v=1778248474#image-blue-arrow\"><\/use>\n                    <\/svg>\n                <\/div>\n                <div class=\"go-arrow__right go-arrow__part\">\n                    <svg class=\"icon\" width=\"24\" height=\"24\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\">\n                        <use xlink:href=\"https:\/\/community.skin.club\/wp-content\/themes\/skinclub-v3\/assets\/images\/sprites\/main.stack.svg?v=1778248474#image-blue-arrow\"><\/use>\n                    <\/svg>\n                <\/div>\n            <\/a><\/div>\n        <div class=\"type3__bottom blue-labels mt-auto\">\n            <div class=\"blue-label disabled\">Jan 23<\/div>\n            <a class=\"blue-label\" href=\"https:\/\/community.skin.club\/en\/news\">News<\/a>        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<\/div>    <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<h3>Mauisnake and the domino effect<\/h3>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/Mauisnake\/status\/2014382337534857220?s=20\">Analyst Mauisnake<\/a> framed the issue even more bluntly, pointing out how missed AWP shots cascade into wider team failures:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"custom-bq\"><div class=\"custom-bq-q\"><p>Liquid players are dying in ways they don\u2019t even think are possible \u2014 all because of ultimate whiffs.<\/p><\/div><\/blockquote>\n<p>In follow-up replies, he openly floated oSee as a potential alternative, further fueling debate about whether Liquid need immediate changes.<\/p>\n<h3>A divided community: whiffs or a systemic issue?<\/h3>\n<p>Community reactions have been sharply divided. Some fans defend ultimate, arguing that poor positioning from teammates and unrealistic expectations exaggerate the problem:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"custom-bq\"><div class=\"custom-bq-q\"><p>Ultimate isn\u2019t m0NESY. But he\u2019s constantly forced into aggressive angles without proper support, many argue.<\/p><\/div><\/blockquote>\n<p>Others counter that a top-tier organization should demand stability rather than occasional highlights:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"custom-bq\"><div class=\"custom-bq-q\"><p>On rifle he would hit those shots. But as an AWPer, this simply isn\u2019t enough.<\/p><\/div><\/blockquote>\n<h3>Thorin: the issue goes beyond one player<\/h3>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-340741\" src=\"https:\/\/community.skin.club\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/55055869970_95035f85fd_h.webp\" alt=\"\" width=\"1599\" height=\"1066\" srcset=\"https:\/\/community.skin.club\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/55055869970_95035f85fd_h.webp 1599w, https:\/\/community.skin.club\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/55055869970_95035f85fd_h-300x200.webp 300w, https:\/\/community.skin.club\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/55055869970_95035f85fd_h-1024x683.webp 1024w, https:\/\/community.skin.club\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/55055869970_95035f85fd_h-768x512.webp 768w, https:\/\/community.skin.club\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/55055869970_95035f85fd_h-1536x1024.webp 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1599px) 100vw, 1599px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Veteran <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/Thorin\/status\/2014694912747286945?s=20\">analyst Thorin<\/a> offered a broader perspective, questioning not just individual players but Liquid\u2019s overall roster-building philosophy:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"custom-bq\"><div class=\"custom-bq-q\"><p>oSee and ultimate in Liquid are a great example of how poor most people\u2019s eye tests are. Eventually everyone will agree these aren\u2019t elite AWPers \u2014 Liquid just always needs an extra year to admit it.<\/p><\/div><\/blockquote>\n<h3>OverDrive adds fuel to the fire<\/h3>\n<p>The debate around Team Liquid was further intensified by a blunt reaction from OverDrive, who offered one of the harshest public assessments of the team\u2019s current state. In a <a href=\"https:\/\/t.me\/ihuntnoobs\/4572\">Telegram post<\/a> that quickly spread across the community, he pulled no punches:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"custom-bq\"><div class=\"custom-bq-q\"><p>Liquid have long turned into a FaZe family-style project \u2014 amateur management, a weak roster, and a clown sniper. A perfect team for tier-1 opponents to warm up against.<\/p><\/div><\/blockquote>\n<p>While extreme in tone, OverDrive\u2019s comment resonated with a large portion of frustrated fans. His criticism framed Liquid\u2019s struggles as a systemic failure rather than an isolated performance issue \u2014 reinforcing the growing perception that the team no longer poses a serious threat at the top tier.<\/p>\n<h3>Context: frustration reaching a boiling point<\/h3>\n<p>More radical takes have also emerged, ranging from regret over passing on s1mple to suggestions that Liquid should gamble on a tier-2\/3 AWPer in hopes of \u201cfinding the next molodoy.\u201d All of it highlights one reality: patience among fans and analysts is rapidly running out.<\/p>\n\n<div class=\"article__content grid-cards-col xl-w-100\">\n    <h3>read more<\/h3>\n    <div class=\"grid-1 gap-12 mb-12 load-parent xl-w-100\">\n        <div class=\"type3 y-red-dif hover-card card-more\">\n        <a class=\"type3__left up-to-card hover-el\" href=\"https:\/\/community.skin.club\/en\/news\/mail09s-debut-will-take-place-at-a-lan-in-sweden\">\n        <div class=\"bg-bottom-abs-short\"> <\/div>\n        <picture class=\"picture object-fit-cover\">\n            <img decoding=\"async\" class=\"picture__img object-fit-cover\" src=\"https:\/\/community.skin.club\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/photo_2026-01-23_00-02-58.jpg.webp\" alt=\"MaiL09\u2019s debut will take place at a LAN in Sweden with his new team\">\n        <\/picture>\n    <\/a>\n        <div class=\"type3__right main-structure p-20\">\n        <div class=\"type3__top\">\n            <a class=\"type3__title title-24 hover-el\" href=\"https:\/\/community.skin.club\/en\/news\/mail09s-debut-will-take-place-at-a-lan-in-sweden\">MaiL09\u2019s debut will take place at a LAN in Sweden with his new team<\/a>\n            <a class=\"go-arrow hover-el\" href=\"https:\/\/community.skin.club\/en\/news\/mail09s-debut-will-take-place-at-a-lan-in-sweden\">\n                <div class=\"go-arrow__left go-arrow__part\">\n                    <svg class=\"icon\" width=\"24\" height=\"24\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\">\n                        <use xlink:href=\"https:\/\/community.skin.club\/wp-content\/themes\/skinclub-v3\/assets\/images\/sprites\/main.stack.svg?v=1778248474#image-blue-arrow\"><\/use>\n                    <\/svg>\n                <\/div>\n                <div class=\"go-arrow__center go-arrow__part\">\n                    <svg class=\"icon\" width=\"24\" height=\"24\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\">\n                        <use xlink:href=\"https:\/\/community.skin.club\/wp-content\/themes\/skinclub-v3\/assets\/images\/sprites\/main.stack.svg?v=1778248474#image-blue-arrow\"><\/use>\n                    <\/svg>\n                <\/div>\n                <div class=\"go-arrow__right go-arrow__part\">\n                    <svg class=\"icon\" width=\"24\" height=\"24\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\">\n                        <use xlink:href=\"https:\/\/community.skin.club\/wp-content\/themes\/skinclub-v3\/assets\/images\/sprites\/main.stack.svg?v=1778248474#image-blue-arrow\"><\/use>\n                    <\/svg>\n                <\/div>\n            <\/a><\/div>\n        <div class=\"type3__bottom blue-labels mt-auto\">\n            <div class=\"blue-label disabled\">Jan 23<\/div>\n            <a class=\"blue-label\" href=\"https:\/\/community.skin.club\/en\/news\">News<\/a>        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<\/div>    <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<h3>A project at a crossroads<\/h3>\n<p>The community reaction makes one thing clear: Team Liquid\u2019s current level no longer matches the organization\u2019s stature. This is no longer a discussion about isolated whiffs or a bad map \u2014 it\u2019s about the roster\u2019s ceiling, management accountability, and whether Liquid are willing to make uncomfortable decisions. If nothing changes, the noise surrounding Liquid is only going to get louder.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>After another disappointing performance, Team Liquid found itself at the center of a storm of criticism from analysts, players, and fans alike. The discussion quickly moved beyond a single match or series \u2014 this is no longer about short-term form, but about deeper structural issues within the roster, role distribution, and long-standing management decisions. \u201cThe [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":34,"featured_media":340760,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[15],"tags":[504,1631],"class_list":["post-340738","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-news","tag-overdrive","tag-thorin"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.4 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Community slams Team Liquid as criticism over roster grows<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Analysts and fans criticize Team Liquid SEO title on current form, AWP issues, and management decisions in CS2.\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/community.skin.club\/en\/news\/team-liquid-community-criticism-roster-issues\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Community slams Team Liquid as criticism over roster grows\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Analysts and fans criticize Team Liquid SEO title on current form, AWP issues, and management decisions in CS2.\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/community.skin.club\/en\/news\/team-liquid-community-criticism-roster-issues\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"CS2 &amp; 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